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I've been waiting until this batch of Doctor Who episodes aired in order to post this, so that I could make a fair and balanced judgement. You see I've come back from honeymoon, caught up on Doctor Who, gone online to see opinion on said episodes, and been horrified at the level of vitriol and hate directed towards Stephen Moffat. I'm genuinely puzzled by this. Are there problems in Doctor Who? Yes. There have ALWAYS been problems in Doctor Who, and I think it's right to point them out. What confuses me is that it now seems to be done so at the exclusion of anything good, or indeed out of context.

Here follows, under the cut, my thoughts on Why Stephen Moffat Is Not The Sexist/Homophobic/Racist Doom Of Doctor Who.

[a note: I am not saying, necessarily, that everyone is wrong and I am right on this. That's half the problems. These are just my thoughts, written down out of genuine confusion at the mad hate that seems to proliferate these days. If you are one of the people making death threats to Moffat, though, then you are definitely wrong.]

I'm going to try and do this in rough groupings of what seems to be the main criticisms, although I will no doubt get confused and wander off elsewhere.

1. The Doctor.

I have read criticisms of the show for glorifying the Doctor, along the lines of how bored they are to see TV glorifying white cis men. Now, the latter half of that sentence I am a-OK with, and I would like to see a more diverse range of characters on TV.

However? He's the Doctor. The hint is in the name of the TV program. He's meant to be the hero. He would still be the hero if he was black, or gay, or disabled, because he's the Doctor. At a convention, I heard the lovely Sylvester McCoy do a talk, and he told a story about a signing he was at once, and a Dalek emerged. A small child started to cry, so he stood up and shouted "It's okay! I'm the Doctor!" So the Dalek was defeated, and the small child stopped crying. That's who the Doctor is. He's the hero of the piece, and you believe that he will save you. I was thinking of that story when I saw the last Doctor Who prom, with Matt Smith madly adlibbing to camera, and I thought 'my goodness, I really do believe in him as the Doctor'.

The Doctor is glorifed because he is the Doctor, and characters believe in him as such. The peisodes themselves show he isn't infallible, and all about the hubris, which is fine by me.

Also, Matt Smith is a marvellous and glorious actor. There hasn't been an episode where I didn't 100% fully invest in him as the Doctor. He's utterly believeable. In short, I don't see all the hate for Matt Smith at all, and it feels a little like the early David Tennant hate when people wanted him to still be Christopher Eccleston.

2. Careers

This is a bugbear for me. I've been reading a lot of criticism about Amy being a model, and I am confused by this, because when did it become okay to judge a woman for her career choices? We know from the character of Amy that there's no way she'd do a job that she didn't want to do. We also know that she's fickle when it comes to careers - kissogram, anyone? To my mind, model suits her - she can dress up and be a different person that day. It's not the best job but it's not presented as the best job.

And before we leap all over the above statement, I'd like to take a moment for us all to examine the career choices of Rory. He is a nurse. That is not a traditional male job. I know this, because my father is a nurse. Other kids in school just didn't believe this when I was in primary school, because only women can be nurses. I am delighted to see male nurses on a family program. Rory is efficient, and caring, and quietly shines in a female-dominated job. He's sometimes put down a bit for it by other characters (earlier on, mostly) and we see in Amy's Choice that he secretly wants to be a doctor. In the end, though, he sticks with being a nurse and by The Power of Three we see him being professionally acknowledged by his peers and superiors. This is a marvellous bit of TV, to my mind.

3. Parenthood

Please note my choice of word here.

I am a little bit peeved at the presentation of motherhood in Doctor Who. Not via Amy (we'll come to that later), but through the quiet horror that is The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe. Look, I enjoyed that episode, but the motherhood in it made me squirm. Also because the courtship was presented as 'he followed me home until I married him' which is just creepy but we'll leave that be for now. Women are mighty and all powerful because they're mothers? Bullshit. Mothers are often pretty awesome, but lots of women aren't mothers and manage to be all powerful. I think it was the bit where they picked the daughter because of her magical chromosones. So much wrong, there. I have the biological potential to be a mother, but definitely not the psychological potential, and that's just as important, I reckon.

This is because the idea of a mother's love for her children, though, I don't have an issue with. Once again on the flipside it's important to look at the fathers on the program. Craig struggles with being a father, but the cries of Alfie force him into protective mode - a mode we might just call Mama Bear, if we were looking a gender stereotypes. The same presents itself in Night Terrors. Daniel Mays is a very physical actor and normally plays the proverbial hardman - in this, he's a caring father overwhelmed with love for his child. What's wrong with that?

It's all a part of what seems to be a big part of Stephen Moffat's Doctor Who storytelling, which is Love Conquers All. (See also: The Doctor Dances.) It's just not always romantic love, that's all.

And as for Amy as a mother? The critique seems to be that Amy is only mighty and powerful because she's River Song's mum. That's bollocks. Amy is awesome because she is Amy. River is awesome because she is River. Amy is hung up over not being able to have any more children, yes, but there are many women and men in the same position that she is and I don't think it demeans Amy that she feels like that.

4. River Song.

I... actually don't have any comebacks here because I just don't get all the River hate. It sort of makes me confused and sad. River is awesome, and not just because she's one of very few women on TV with curly hair. Yes, River is in love with the Doctor. We knew that from the beginning. This makes her occasionally make some questionable decisions. Crucially, we see her move past them. We've already seen her move past them.

River, in conclusion, is awesome. I'm not even going to list why. If you've watched Doctor Who, you should just know.

5. "It was a phase."

RIGHT. If I wasn't on my high horse before, then here I go.

I am bisexual. I have dated women, and men, but now I am married to a man and people have often asked if I was going through a phase. No, I always say, because I still like women. But you know what? In a way, I was going through a bit of a phase when I was a teenager on the basis that I really didn't like men at all. Legolas was a bit of a gateway drug, what can I say.

For some people, sexuality is fixed. For others, sexuality is a fluid thing. Oswin may well have been going through a phase, and that is a valid expression of her sexual identity. We don't know enough about her yet. She may introduce herself to EVERYONE she flirts with with a variation of the same line. It may never be mentioned again. I don't know. I'm just not sure when it becaome okay to judge people on their stated sexual identity because it doesn't fit into your perceptions. To be honest, it upsets me a bit that people are jumping all over this. If, in response to the whole Nina thing, Rory had said "But you were just going through a phase, right?" I would be more up in arms at the assumptions of other people. However, Oswin makes her statement herself, under no duress. We have no reason to doubt her, and nor does she say that this was the way that Nina felt about matters.

The thing about the horse in A Town Called Mercy, the name of whom I cannot remember right now, and the changing on the pronouns etc, I see the minor outrage about. For a throwaway line, it would have been nice if the Doctor got the pronouns right.

6. DYING FOR HER MAN!!!!1

Companions willing to die for their man is annoying. I'm looking at you, Russell T Davies. Amy, however (and correct me if I'm wrong?) will only do this particular trope if she believes that she's going to GET BACK to Rory. As opposed to Rory, who has demonstrated on several occasions that he will die for Amy. Because he does. A lot.

What I'm driving at here is that people seem very happy to criticise Amy, without at any point looking at Rory for a reverse flip of the coin. Rory quietly subverts expectations in the background, and this seems to be something not fully appreciated amongst the hate.

6. In conclusion...

... I actually think this has been a really good set of episodes, and considerably better than the last season, mostly on the basis that I kept up with this lot. Dinosaurs on the Spaceship was possibly the best thing ever. Plot holes abounded - my main ones, at the moment, consist of wondering how the baby angel in Central Park managed to send Rory back when the baby angels in the basement didn't have the power, and why no one noticed that the Statue of Liberty can move about. I mean, seriously, did New York go all 'thanks for the statue, France!' and France was all 'quelle horreur! Let's just tell them we sent it and take the credit, oui?' Doctor Who has always had plot holes, though. That's what it DOES. You can't suddenly diss Moffat for something that's kept the show running for 50 years.

Also, in this series, we got THE BRIGADIER'S DAUGHTER. What MORE do you people want.

Would I like a more diverse mix of characters, who aren't all necessarily white and able-bodied and roughly hetrosexual? Yes, I would love it, and it's important to criticise TV for not doing this. To pick in Moffat exclusively for this seems a little short-sighted. But I don't get the idea that he's a terrible misogynist. I enjoy Doctor Who, and I will keep doing so.

Now, if you'll excuse me I woke up nearly two hours ago, started to write this, and then got carried away. Time for a shower.

Date: 2012-09-30 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennnlee.livejournal.com
You know, I have to say that I kind of turned off Doctor Who about halfway through the season with Ten and Donna. My problem with Doctor Who at that point was that it had turned into so much of a soap opera, and seeing Rose pop up AGAIN just made me want to hurl something at the TV. I know we're going back to ancient history here, but I thought "Doomsday" was a beautiful episode and a perfect way to end Rose's arc. Then Ten spent pretty much the whole next season moping around missing Rose that I started wondering when the show had become a bad teen drama or something. So then when Rose showed up the next season, I just got furious and felt that the beauty of Doomsday was negated, and it was hard to work up the enthusiasm to keep watching.

I'm sure I will at some point, but more and more, when I turned on Netflix and decided to watch some Who, I found myself watching something Old School instead. When it was about adventure and fun and not about being in looooooove with Rooooooose.

Point is, I got kind of sick of Ten and haven't even seen Eleven. Maybe I should just jump back in where he starts?

Date: 2012-09-30 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hathy-col.livejournal.com
I got a bit annoyed with Ten towards the end; I stopped 'believing' after Water on Mars and that was a real shame, because some of Tennant's episodes were just plain old superb.

Old School is DEFINITELY a good thing to watch. The Green Death is a great example of how to have a companion leave, and have the Doctor be cut up, without making a soap opera of it. Also, the Doctor dresses up as a cleaning lady.

Eleven is wonderful, and it feels a bit like a new start because of the new companion/Doctor/writer. There's a lot of anger in fandom around them, and it just... puzzles me.

Date: 2012-12-06 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beadattitude.livejournal.com
I was exactly the same way about Ten. I feel like Rusty had backed himself into a corner and the final two episodes in the Ten arc were pure self-indulgence.

I came to the Eleven party late and was astonished by the hate, too. It's puzzling.

Date: 2012-09-30 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trav28.livejournal.com
I've been a Moff supporter since day one and I love what he is doing. He's such a talented bloke but Whovians can be rather myopic, sadly. I hope he runs the show for the next 10 years! Bring it!

Date: 2012-10-01 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hathy-col.livejournal.com
Some of the comments left on reviews are just toxic, it strikes me as... counter productive.I think Moff is great too!

Date: 2012-10-01 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarah531.livejournal.com
I worry that people are going to bash Amy for 'having no agency', when what they really mean is 'Amy made a choice to be with Rory, over and over, of her own free will...and I don't like that.'

Date: 2012-10-02 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hathy-col.livejournal.com
That's what I think too! When both Rory and Amy have BOTH made that decision! So at least they're just co-dependent!

Date: 2012-10-01 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkestboy.livejournal.com
Excellent review, big Moffat fan myself too and you made some lovely points there.

Date: 2012-10-02 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hathy-col.livejournal.com
Thank you! I really enjoyed this last batch of episodes and I wanted to show a bit of love.

Date: 2012-10-01 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aim2misbhave.livejournal.com
One of my problems with the "motherhood" thing also shows up with Amy's pregnancy - every single bit of agency and bodily autonomy, even to the point of her being kept from so much as *knowing* that she was pregnant, was taken away from her. All that "Amy is a mother" stuff makes me uncomfortable for that reason, because even if she wanted to be a mother, she had no choice in being a mother. It was basically forced upon her, and sure, some women IRL might react to that scenario by owning the title of "mother", but that's something that's kind of uncomfortable for me without more exposition on why she feels that way. And then that her only reaction to effectively a forced pregnancy is for her to be devastated that she can't have children the old-fashioned way? Again, it's true that many real people react that way, but also again since we have no further exposition on that topic, that scene also carries the unfortunate implication that IVF, surrogacy, adoption, or whatever else aren't as "genuine" or whatever.

And I think part of what contributes to that unfortunate implication is that the episode that was chronologically directly before Asylum of the Daleks was The Doctor, The Witch, and the Wardrobe, which as you mentioned, had the seriously problematic connotations of "uterus = ability to carry life = strength". And that gets especially uncomfortable when you consider Amy's infertility.

And then another thing that I think bears mentioning, here, is that Moffat also wrote The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, in which the world is saved by a woman accepting her role/destiny as a mother. Never mind that motherhood was effectively forced on Nancy as well - both likely physically, due to whatever social circumstances may have prevented her from getting an abortion, and psychologically at the end of the episodes. Yes, technically, she had a choice, but if the alternative was letting the world get transformed into gas-mask-people, that's not much of a genuine choice, is it? (And, from what I understood, Nancy's own mother had been previously taking on the role of "mother" for Nancy's child, as well, further implying that Nancy was OK with her role being "big sister")

And, off-topic, I feel like Moffat was trying to go too big and too epic during season 6 and Asylum of the Daleks, and was losing things like continuity, or character quirks like the Doctor liking silly hats, or the joy of good old campy monster-of-the-week episodes. That said, so far every episode this season has had a guest star I loved - JLC in Asylum of the Daleks, Rupert Graves in Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, Ben Browder in A Town Called Mercy, and even a Brian Cox cameo in Power of Three!

(Also, FYI, I don't think it was the baby angel in NY that sent him back, but the adult one on top of the fountain. IDK if you've been to Central park before, or recently enough to remember, but I visited it a few months after watching "Blink" and took a photo fo that fountain for that precise reason :-) It's four baby angels back-to-back, and then a basin above them, and an adult angel on top of the basin)

Date: 2012-10-02 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hathy-col.livejournal.com
Those are some very fair points. Of course, in Night Terrors the parents in that also had no choice in becoming parents - they had the previous desire to do so (as did Amy and Rory we discovered in Asylum of the Daleks) but then had the cuckoo child rather unexpectedly. So it is something of a theme, of course. Taking the uterus=power squickyness into the context ofAmy's infertility is an interesting point - I suppose we'll have to see how things go after this Christmas!

I think that Nancy would have been forced into the role of big sister, though - my understanding from social history (slightly out of my period, I'll be the first to admit) because often to hide 'the shame' grandparents would take on the role of parents which Nancy may have then continued after the (death? absence?) of her own mother.

I had SO MICH RUPERT GRAVES love this series. This may have coloured my view of the whole thing. He improves EVERYTHING he's in. (See also: the desperately underappreciated Garrow's Law.)

I thought that the baby angel was the one that sent back Rory on the basis that we heard the creepy laughter - I must admit I've only been to America the once and the Central Park visit was rather short and several years ago, so the additional info is very helpful, thanks for that!

Date: 2012-10-03 07:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aim2misbhave.livejournal.com
From what I've heard from my parents and grandparents regarding that period of history, it's most likely that Nancy would have left town to "live with a relative" before she started showing, put the baby up for adoption, and then returned home a few months later, with no hard evidence that she actually ever was pregnant. Then, the grandparents raising the baby as their own was the next most common thing. Still, given the social attitudes towards unwed mothers and the likely suspicion that either of the two more common arrangements would have been viewed with, I also don't think that it's implausible that Nancy would not have chosen to carry the pregnancy to term had abortion been an option.

And I didn't even think of Night Terrors! I guess it was one of the less remarkable episodes that sort of slipped my mind. (And wasn't the couple in Night Terrors infertile as well?)

Date: 2012-10-06 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hathy-col.livejournal.com
I think that there's an element of 'PARENTHOOD IS MAGICAL' rather than motherhood is magical throughout the last few series, which is why I don't view it as a deliberate sexist thing. Still troubling, of course.

Date: 2012-12-06 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beadattitude.livejournal.com
The more I'm reading these comments, the less I want to see that Christmas special. ;)

Date: 2012-10-01 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ealasaid76.livejournal.com
I'll take Eccleston or Tennant any day. Smith? Not so much. I like Rory. Can't stand River since "The Library" and can't stand her Mom, Amy. [shrug]

Moffat has many flaws in his writing. I'd rather see Toby Whithouse, Mark Gatiss, or someone else write.

Date: 2012-10-02 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hathy-col.livejournal.com
That's fair enough, although I don't think that any of the writers you mentioned are particularly flawless in themselves. (I really like Toby Whithouse, and love Being Human, but I sort of try to pretend most of the second season didn't happen. All seemed a bit inconsistent. And my love for Gatiss is HUGE but some of his work can be quite scarily misogynistic, although possibly just judging that on his comedy is unfair.)

The thing is, though, it's okay not to like actors or Doctors or writers, the bit that has weirded me out in the last few months is people taking the 'I don't prefer your method of Doctor Who' to death threats, which is why I had the urge to examine the (to my mind) many positive points of the last batch of episodes.

Date: 2012-10-03 07:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tau_sigma
Have I mentioned recently how awesome you are? Because you are. I am too lacking in mental energy to say anything coherent and meaningful on this topic, but on the whole: omg Doctor Who love and total recognition that it's not perfect, yes. <3

Date: 2012-10-06 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hathy-col.livejournal.com
Thank you! You helped inspire bits of this, as it happens, so I'm glad you agree. :-)

Date: 2012-12-06 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beadattitude.livejournal.com
And you know, that imperfection is what fanfic is FOR. ;).

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